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The Standing Record
27 things this encyclopedia cannot yet settle. Each one is a date we will not guess at: two good sources disagree, or a single recollection stands unwitnessed, or the document that would prove it has never surfaced.
We publish them because a reference that hides its gaps is not a reference. An honest ‘circa’ backed by evidence is worth more than a confident year pulled from thin air — and a gap stated plainly is an invitation to the collector who can close it.
Savinelli
The year the four-digit shape codes stopped. Three sources agree it happened and none will name a year: pipedia says circa the 1960s–1970s, pipephil says a four-digit pipe predates the 1970s, Smokingpipes says pre-1970. We close the bracket at 1979 and say openly that the true cliff is probably earlier.
We publish no floor for three-digit shape codes. A three-digit code only tells you the pipe is not early, and the transition years are exactly the years in dispute — encoding a floor there would be inventing precision we do not have.
The “second digit was always a zero” rule, relayed from Savinelli, is contradicted by pipephil's own La Milano stamped 4907. Both are published; neither is discarded.
When the Punto Oro Super ended — if it ended. Pipephil wrote in 2013 that it was cancelled a few years after its early-1980s launch, but Savinelli's current catalogue still lists it. We publish the floor only.
“Alligator” cannot date a pipe by name alone: a vintage Alligator line appears in the old brochures AND a modern colourful Alligator was introduced around 2005 (“probably close to 20” years before May 2025). Finish and stem context are needed.
Lines we hold with no usable years at all: Giubileo d'Oro, Elegance, Autograph, Oscar, Siena, Onda, Tundra, New Art, Arcobaleno, Ottavia (revived “lately” as the limited Ottagono), Riviera, and the “Favorite” editions (Bing's, Byron's, Clark's, Ginger's, Achille's I–III). The Columbus series is US-market only and is probably the 1992 anniversary issue — probably is not a source, so it stays here.
La Milano: one caption dates an example “circa 1949–50s.” A single uncorroborated example never becomes a rule.
Seconds and sub-brands follow their own rules and are not dated by this guide: Albatross, Bent Bob's, Baronet, Coronet, Duca, Hercules; Estella (rejected Autographs) and Fiammata (rejected Giubileo d'Oro straight grains); Arnold's, Kings Cross, Capt. Warren and Royal Oak on the US side.
The shop era before 1948. Pipedia holds photographed ASM-in-a-triangle and MILANO examples, but also an 'F. Savinelli Genova Silver 0115' pipe its own contributor cannot place — an 1880s Genoa shop pipe, or a 1950s one from the later Genoa shop? Unresolved, and we would welcome evidence.
The Savinelli shape chart (pipephil's, and the 2017 chart on pipedia) is a shape reference, not a dating channel: it carries no design years. Turning it into one is registered work, not a promise.
Peterson
The end year of the “Made in Eire” circle: period sources disagree (1941 vs 1947). We publish the wide bracket until a primary source settles it.
The .925 fineness boundary on silver bands: one handbook says the millesimal 925 mark replaced Hibernia in October 1992, another documents a 925 convention mark on export pipes from 1976, while our encoded boundary is 2003. The conflict is recorded and unresolved — we do not guess.
Straight Patent-era shapes 29–36 (1896–c.1925): bare two-digit numbers collide with too many other marks to encode safely. Expert reading only.
The first year of the St. Patrick's Day pipes. Mark Irwin dates the series from 1998 and cites a dated primary document for it — the final Hollco-Rohr sales catalogue of 15 July 1998, which carries both the first St. Patrick's Day and the first 4th of July pipe. Pipedia says the pipe was first issued in the mid-1980s and was previously called the Flag Pipe. A dated catalogue is the stronger evidence, but it proves the series existed by 1998, not that nothing preceded it — so the floor stays at 1985 and the question stays open.
When the “Made in England” stamp begins and ends. Mark Irwin dates the London manufacturing factory at 74–77 White Lion Street from late 1937 to its dissolution on 5 September 1963, citing the London Gazette of 17 September 1963 — and two further posts of his say the same. Pipedia instead has Peterson keeping a London factory “since 1899” and the stamp ending in 1969/70; it appears to be counting the London shops, which did open in 1899. Because the two accounts differ at both ends we keep the wide 1895–1970 bracket rather than pick a winner, and publish 1937–1963 as the documented lean.
Charatan · James Upshall
Reuben Charatan's death: the Ferrara study says 1960, Kennedy Barnes said 1962 on air. Both are recorded; we do not pick one, and the eras either side stay wide.
When Dunhill took Charatan: Ferrara documents the Lane purchase in April 1976, while Pipedia's main article says 1978. We publish both and date pipes from features, not from the ownership year.
Belvedere as a 1950s–60s Charatan line: a specialist dealer dates Belvedere examples to the tapered era, but Belvedere is not among the five 1951 qualities and we have found no dated primary for it. Not encoded — a dealer's era-guess is not evidence.
The Double Comfort's true first year: Charatan lore claims the 1950s, but no pre-1961 Double Comfort advertisement has surfaced in our newspaper and periodical sweeps. Until one does, the floor stays 1961.
“FH” on Charatan and Upshall stampings: documented on real pipes in both houses, meaning unresolved. We would rather say so than invent an expansion.
The Coronation grade at the top of the 1965 Lane ladder: the name suggests the 1953 coronation, but that is a guess and we have not verified it.
James Upshall's move from Tilshead in Wiltshire to Brenchley in Kent: the move is real — a 2006 snapshot places the workshop at Brenchley — but no source we hold gives the year, so it is not encoded as a location cliff.
What the P and S grade letters stand for: Kennedy Barnes was asked on air and his answer is partly lost in a phone-line dropout. A fragment sounds like “Perfection.” We will not publish a fragment as a fact.
The 1984 and 1996 Upshall cliffs remain low confidence: the founder interviews that could confirm them have audio gaps exactly where the answers should be. Re-processing those passages is a registered task.
Dunhill
The intro years for the later finishes (Chestnut, County, Amber Root) are approximate in our cabinet and not yet verbatim-verified against the guide — we publish them low-confidence and flagged rather than as firm floors.
The end year of the 5861/12 Inner Tube patent: pipephil's usage records (to 1926) and the Loring/Field guide table (to 1935) disagree. We keep the wide 1912–1935 bracket until a primary source settles it.
A bare “417574” without the /34 suffix can turn up on a late-1930s pipe; where it does, we widen the bracket honestly rather than force the 1942–1954 window.
Closing a Gap
If you hold the catalogue page, the hallmarked example, the period advertisement, or the recorded interview that answers one of these, we want to see it. A dated primary document is exactly what most of these questions are waiting on.
Corrections are credited by name in the entry's changelog, and the confidence rank rises with the evidence — publicly, so anyone reading later can see what changed and why.
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